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-       The Great Tudung Debate : A Response to Raja Petra's Article

By

Zaharuddin Abd Rahman

www.zaharuddin.net

This writing is a response to Raja Petra Kamaruddin about muslim women's aurat in his popular blog ( Malaysia today). Source 

RAJA PETRA's FRIEND WROTE :

In the article there was a sentence stating: "Apparently, the tudung was 'decreed' for only the Prophet's wives and not for all women..." So I've have looked into the Quran and found some things.

1) "O Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognised and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful." Surah Al-Ahzab (33), verse 59.

Comment : Firstly, see the words 'so that they may be recognised and not annoyed'. This means at least the face must be visible. It is wrong to say that other women at that time (non Muslim Arabs, Jews, Christians) did not wear the tudung. The truth is that the Jewish and Christian women wore far more conservative tudung than the Muslim women.

Covering the body is also required of men and women in the desert. It has nothing to do with any religion. So when the verse says 'so that they may be recognised' it actually means the women should not cover their face or head in such a way that the people cannot differentiate them from other Christian and Jewish women who also wear tudung and veils. This means there is no such thing as a tudung to cover your head and face.

The verse 33:59 says the following in Arabic: 

Ya ayyuhan nabi : O you prophet

qul li-azwajika wabanaatika : tell your wives, your daughters 

wa nisaa i mu'mineena : and the believing women

yudneena : to lengthen

Alayhinna : over them

min jalabeebihinna : from their garments/cloaks.

There is absolutely NO mention of head or hair or face in this verse. There is no reference to tudung. The reference is to lengthen your garments over your body. This means women must dress decently.

UZAR'S COMMENT

Unfortunately, you have misinterpret the verse and understanding it out of its context, i assumed that's because you are not examining the whole structure of the verse.

In reality, as a servant of Allah SWT and the follower of Rasulullah SAW, we are taught to always come back to Al-Quran and Al-Hadith to obtain assurance about the permissibility of a matter. Regarding this, Allah SWT said:-

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ قُل لِّأَزْوَاجِكَ وَبَنَاتِكَ وَنِسَاء الْمُؤْمِنِينَ يُدْنِينَ عَلَيْهِنَّ مِن جَلَابِيبِهِنَّ ذَلِكَ أَدْنَى أَن يُعْرَفْنَ فَلَا يُؤْذَيْنَ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ غَفُورًا رَّحِيمًا

"O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies. That will be better, that they should be known (as a free respectable MUSLIM women) so as not to be molested. "(Al-Ahzab: 59)

It is agreed unanimously by ulama that every verse that is revealed to our prophet Muhammad s.a.w is also intended to Muslim except defined otherwise by our Prophet either in his hadis or by other quranic verses. For example: our prophet has more than four wives at a time, it is called "Khususiyat anbiya" which we are not allowed to follow due to Allah's will and many other logical reasons.

Therefore, in this case, covering aurat including head, hair, neck and chest is strongly commanded not only for prophet's wives but also to all muslim women. It is not just an Arab's custom due to the sandy desert, but it is indeed a religious commandment. It is also very obvious stated in the above verse where it is mentioned :

وَنِسَاء الْمُؤْمِنِينَ

Meaning : "the women of the believers"

Therefore whoever claims they are muslim, they are obliged to uphold and stick to the decree in the verse.

Jilbab is a dress (of similar width to ‘baju kurung') worn by women to cover their bodies.  Syeikh Dr Yusof Al-Qaradawi explained that when some women during the Jahiliah period left their houses, they loved to display some parts of their beauty such as the chest, neck and hair until they were being harassed by those wicked men who like to commit zina.

Then, the above verse was revealed commanding the Muslim women to EXTEND (and not only) their jilbab so that the parts that could lead to fitnah will be covered. In this way, they would be identified as women who are protected (‘afifah) and a true MUSLIM WOMEN. As a consequence, they would not be molested.

tudung

 

The above verse elucidates that covering the aurat is an emblem of a Muslim.  Allah SWT also said:

وَمَن يُعَظِّمْ شَعَائِرَ اللَّهِ فَإِنَّهَا مِن تَقْوَى الْقُلُوبِ

 

"And anyone who honours the symbols set up by God  [shall know that] verily, these [symbols derive their value] from the God-consciousness in the [believers'] hearts " ( Al-Haj : 32 )

Therefore, the main reason (‘illah) for the above ruling is to prevent Muslim women from being molested by wicked men. Attires that display women's beauty or women walking and talking in a seducing manner could arouse a man's sexual desire. Such behavior is an indirect invitation to the male for teasing and molestation. (Adapted from kitab Al-Halal wal Haram fil Islam with slight modification) 

It's also WRONG to say that "so that they may be recognised and not annoyed' mean face must be visible in order to be recognized.

Firstly : Is it acceptable to say that we can only recognised a women by looking at her face? Of course not, we can easily recognized them by many other ways, either by listening to her voice or many other things besides her face.

Secondly : Most of the Jahiliyyah womens are not wearing tudung at all and some of them wearing improper veils.( Refer  Tafsir Ibn Kathir, 3/285). It is also stated clearly in the hadith narrated by Abu Hurairah, Rasulullah s.a.w. said:

"Two are the types of the denizens of Hell whom I did not see: (1) people having flogs like the tails of the ox with them and they would be beating people (unjust rulers); (2) the women who would be dressed but appear to be naked, who would be inclined (to evil) and make others incline towards it. Their heads would be like the humps of the bukht camel inclined to one side. They will not enter Paradise and they would not smell its odour whereas its odour would be smelt from such and such distance" (Narrated by Muslim, Sohih).

The JAHILIYYAH womens are said to wear attire but is still naked because they do have cloth on their body but it does not cover the aurat because it is transparent and exposes their skin; like the wearing of many women today. (Al-Halal Wal Haram Fil Islam, Dr Yusof Al-Qaradawi)

‘Bukhtun' in the hadith is a type of camel that has a big hump. Women's hair looks like the hump of a camel when it is pulled and tangled over their head. This shows that Jahiliyyah womens are not covering their head and hair. As for Christian and jews womens who you said wore tudung also at the time of prophet Muhammad s.a.w, you have to provide evidences on that. Besides, do you sure how Christian women exact attire in Mekkah and medina at that time?, Jewish people are too small to take into account and yet we don't know what are their tudung types.

Some people trying to support their thought by presenting Jewish and christian veil's pictures which are adapted from wikipedia and other unknown sources. Show us the absolute verse in Injil and Taurat which defines the Jewish and Christian's veil, without it, your pictures are insufficient, useless and unreliable at all. Again, show me the Injil and Taurah oringinal verse.  

Even if you are able to do so, whatever types of their tudung, muslim womens also has an obligatory  to perform, and that is to wear veil with certain standards and conditions and it is a religious commandment. Other than  that if Christian and Jewish tudung are alike muslim women tudung, so what is the problem ?. We have to realize that the original faith of An-Nasara and Al-Yahud (before it's being modified as it is today) are also divine in the sense that it comes from The Almighty Allah via Prophet Jesus and Moses a.s. to the people of book (Al-Kitab). Therefore, similarities in some aspects can be realized.

However in reality, could you point to us how many Christian and Jews  wearing veils in public?  It is learnt that  the Christian woman is to cover her head whenever she is praying, whether it be at the church service or just personal prayer at home. This may mean that if she is not praying at home, she is uncovered around male guests who are not related to her; or if she is praying at home, that she is covered around her own husband and family. In conclusion, if Chritian wome only wears veil while praying, so there is nothing  significant to highlight this similarity issue. The original point here is that  word 'to be recognized' in the verse has been translated wrongly by Raja Petra and his friends. 


RAJA PETRA'S FRIEND WROTE :

2) "And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers or husbands' fathers, or their sons or their husbands' sons, or their brothers or their brothers' sons or sisters' sons, or their women, or their slaves, or male attendants who lack vigour, or children who know naught of women's nakedness. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And turn unto Allah together, O believers, in order that ye may succeed." Surah An-Nur (24), verse 31.

Raja Petra Comment : Again there is no mention of head (ru'usa) in this verse or face (wujuh/wajh). Please note the words 'draw their veils over the bosoms'. The arabic is as follows:

walyadribna : and strike / cover

bi khumurihinna : with their outer garments

Ala : over / upon

juyoobihinna : their bosoms / breasts

Women are told to cover their chests/bosoms/breasts. That is all. This tallies with the earlier verse 33:59 above where the women are told to lengthen their clothes/garments. There is absolutely no mention of head (ru'usa), face (wujuh) or hair.

UZAR'S COMMENT FOR NUMBER 1  & 2 :

Almighty Allah has said :-

وَلْيَضْرِبْنَ بِخُمُرِهِنَّ عَلَى جُيُوبِهِنَّ وَلَا يُبْدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ

Meaning : And tell the believing women to lower their veil and to be mindful of their chastity, and not to display their charms [in public] beyond what may [decently] be apparent thereof..

So you look Mr Pete or (your friend), why are you or he only focusing on some words of the verse and didn't give proper attention to the others. You have translated ‘Al-Khumur' wrongly, as that because of your harfiah (word by word)translation and harfiah understanding also, that kind of translation cannot help you in understanding the word correctly. The "al-Khumur" word will provide you the answer on your own created question and false assumption which you said : "There is absolutely NO mention of head or hair".

The true meaning of khumur (veil) is anything that is used to cover the head. Meanwhile ‘juyub' (the plural form of jaibun) is the curvature of the breast that is not covered with cloth. Therefore every woman must cover not only their head but also their chest including their neck and ears and all other parts that may lure a male.   

In order to understand Quranic text correctly, he/she must comprehend and find the exact usage of terminologies and words in Arabic language. A person should also know how a term or word is being used in the Arabic community because Quran is using Arabic language. Therefore it is good to have knowledge on conservative Arab's (especially at the time of prophet s.a.w) way of life before he/she can get the true intended meaning; For this reason, we must refer to the tafseer book by great Muslim scholars to avoid ourselves from false impression.

That's also why it's better for those who wish to learn Islam in depth to pay a visit to Arabic countries in order to get some feels and get used to the usage of certain word by contemporary Arabs, it can give you some more clue in order to understand Arabic language in the Quran.

When Allah swt said "Khumurihinna" , so we must know, in a standard Arabic language what does it mean by "khumur", so the answer is veil which cover their head, hair, ear  etc and then, when a person said "khumur" in front of knowledgable arab person, what he will understand?. Of course, it s a veil also. This fact has been told by many great classic Muslim scholar like Imam At-Tabarii ( died 301 H) in his famous tafseer book Jami al-Bayan and also Imam Ibn Katheer . (Tafsir At-Tabari, 18/120 ; Tafsir AL-Quran Al-'Azim, 3/285))

Besides the khumur which is a veil which covers the women head, and juyub which covers womens' neck, breast and chest, the verse also stressing on :-

وَلَا يُبْدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ

Meaning : that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof"..

Do you understand what ‘beauty and ornaments' means in this verse?

According to Syeikh Dr Yusof Al-Qaradawi, the adornment mentioned in the above verse refers to anything that is worn to beautify oneself; either natural beauty like face, hair and body; or manmade beautification like dress, embellishment, make-up and others.  

In the above verse, Allah commanded women to conceal the adornment without any exemption. However, the exemption was "what is apparent". The scholars therefore have differences in opinion about the meaning and extent of "what is apparent" but all of them agreed unanimously that hair and head are included.

That is due to the following hadith :-

Saidatina Aisyah r.a narrated that her sister Asma' binti Abu Bakar entered the house of the Prophet s.a.w wearing attire made of transparent material that showed her skin. The Prophet s.a.w turned away from her and said:

"Hai Asma'! Verily when a woman has achieved puberty, she should not reveal her body except for this and this - showing the face and the palms (hands)." (Narrated by Abu Daud)

Although there is a discussion about narrators of this hadith, it is strengthen by many other hadith that allows revealing of the face and the palms if it does not bring any harm (fitnah). (Al-Halal Wal Haram Fil Islam)

This hadis also supporting the fact that women head and hair are ‘aurat and must be covered by muslim womens, only the face and palm or hand can be seen by the public.

Yes, there is discussion on what is the meaning of "what is apparent" which ALLOWED TO BE SEEN but it is not about hair, neck and head. Ibnu Abbas r.a, one of the great companions of the Prophet (s.a.w.) interpreted "what is apparent" is eyeliner and ring. Anas Bin Malik r.a is also of the same opinion.

Therefore, the body parts where the eyeliner and the ring are worn (i.e. the face and the palms) would also be considered as apparent. This also the opinon of the Tabien like Said bin Jubair, 'Atha', Auza'i and others.

However, Ummul Mukminin Aisyah r.a, Qatadah and a few others considered bracelet as something apparent. Therefore, the wrist (place of wearing a bracelet) is also considered as apparent if it does not cause any harm (fitnah).   Regarding the limit from the wrist to the elbow, it is still under discussion among the scholars; therefore it is better to cover parts between the wrist and the elbow.  

RAJA PETRA'S FRIEND SAID

3) In order to interpret the Quran, we have to go to people who have knowledge about it. In what circumstance the verse was revealed, etc. But not just any scholar who says that they know.

Comment : We DO NOT interpret the Quran. May I suggest something much simpler? Why not we just read it? If we look at the Quran in its arabic and then look at the translated words just a little carefully, we will understand it. You DONT EVEN have to know Arabic. For example the arabic word for HEAD (kepala) is NEVER mentioned in any of the verses quoted above. Neither are the arabic words for face and hair. So how do the translators include head, face and hair? Someone must explain this.

UZAR'S COMMENT

I have responded to this false statement and it's no longer concern us.

Do you think that Allah will only use ru'asa to express head and sya'run as hair?.. no you are wrong Mr Pete, for example Allah s.w.t  forbids us from saying ‘Ah' to our parents. So it is permissible to say ‘uh' and bull shit to your parent only because it is not mentioned in the Quran?.

When Allah forbids ‘ah' so its include all thing that has similar effect and covering not only bad words but also bad behaviour and actions towrd your parent. It is called in Usul Fiqh as Qiyas al-Awla or also can be considered as ‘umum al-lafz that will carry all meaning under it.

So, women's head and hair falls under the words "al-khumur"in the verse. As simple as that.

As for the last part of Raja Petra's article, some of the hadith has been misquoted so i don't need to give any response.

THE MYTH OF ‘DON'T JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER' 

I always come across with this expression and I believe you are the same. The following are the words of those women who do not cover their aurat who always claim to posess pure and kind hearts although they are wearing indecent outfits which reveal their aurat.

"Even women who put on hijaab commit crime nowadays, indulging in adultery, free-mixing and a lot more" A woman share her thought.

"In fact, we too are well-behaved, we do not bother others, we do not backbite and we stay away from bad things" The woman added.

Is it a sound argument? Is it true that the external appearance does not matter in Islam? Some of them are even one step ahead in their arguments that they reason with the meaning of an authentic hadith of the Prophet, which is:

"Verily Allah does not look at your physical being, your outer appearance nor your wealth, but He looks at your heart and your deeds" (Narrated by Muslim).

I feel sorry and dishearten looking at those who when arguing, easily throw out hadith in supporting their whims; indeed, they only utilize Islam in the matter that bring benefits to them.

An employee was caught playing game during working hours by his employer while he has yet to prepare the document requested by him. The employer thus said, "How are you going to excel in your carreer if this is your attitude towards work."

The employee responded, "You may see me outwardly as playing games but my heart is sincere and I performed my duty excellently."

Do you think that the employer believe in what his employee had said? Does Allah consider one's heart as pure and good through disobeying His commandments?

Indeed, something is only regarded as pure and good by measuring it with the scale of Allah and His Rasul, and not merely with the scale of our minds. If  we refer to the scale of Islam, the Prophet SAW had said which means:

"Beware, in the body there is a piece of flesh; if it is sound, the whole body is sound and if it is corrupt the whole body is corrupt, and hearken it is the heart" (Narrated by Muslim)

Based on this hadith, Islamic scale necessitates that the purity of one's heart is apparent in its first stage, which is one's actions. It means that when one's actions always transgress against the commandments prescribed in Islam, it signifies the filth of one's heart. On the other hand, if the external actions submit to the commandment of Islam, thus it should be considered as good in the first stage, which is the external scale of lay people. Nevertheless, the second stage, which is whether one's intention is for seeking Allah's pleasure or for things such as showing off, we should leave the judgment only to Allah.

Therefore, we can judge a book by its cover in certain cases, such as in the case when the fundamentals of Islam are being transgressed; the cover is consequently reflecting what is inside the heart of a person.

Judging based on that which is apparent, does go along with the hadith:

إنما أنا بشر , وإنكم تختصمون إلىّ , ولعلّ بعضكم أن يكون ألحن بحجته من بعض , فأقضي بنحو ما أسمع , فمن قضيت له من حق أخيه شيئاَ فلا يأخذه , فإنما أقطع له قطعة من النار

Which means: "Verily I am only a human being, and you always presented arguments for me to solve. It may be that some of you are better in presenting argument than others. Therefore, I give out rulings based on what I have heard only. He, for whom I have made a ruling that violates the rights of the other party (due to the lack of skill of the person in presenting argument), does not take it. For verily, it will be for him a slice from the slices of hellfire" (Narrated by Abu Dawood, At-Tirmidzi and others; Refer Naylul Awtar, 8/632, no 3920).

This hadith clearly shows that a judge in Islam will give a ruling based on the information and the evident proofs presented to him. Similarly, in the case of covering aurat, if one reveals the aurat, it is a sign of transgression against Allah's commands. Thus, how would it be possible for this kind of heart to be perceived as a sound heart in Islam?

Women should realize that when the aurat is not covered properly, every single man who looks at it will be held accountable for every single gaze. The woman, on the other hand, is not going to be held accountable for that one sin merely; rather she will be held accountable for all the gazes from men that fell on her aurat. Just imagine how sinful she is for revealing the aurat only in one day. This is based on the Prophet's word:

من سن في الإسلام سنة سيئة فعليه وزرها ووزر من عمل بها من غير أن ينقص شيئاً

Which means: "Whosoever initiates a wrongdoing, upon him are a sin and the sin of every single person who does it without his sin being reduced even a little..." (Narrated by Ahmad and others-Authentic)

Included in the meaning of intiating is that someone intiates the revealing of her aurat in that day causing the man who looks at her to be held accountable. In fact, the woman herself is sinful for every single eye that sets on her aurat.  Would this type of heart be considered as pure? After mountains of sins had rusted it?

Verily Allah is All Just and the Most Merciful. Rush towards Allah's love and mercy by obeying Him. For those who are hardhearted, no words can be shared except; be certain that Allah is true, His Rasul is true, and Paradise and Hellfire are true. If believe in them, why are the actions speak otherwise?

Thanks for you time.

Regards,

For further readingon this topic :

1) Women Aurah , What Has Happened? 

2) Aurat Wanita : Apa Sudah Jadi?

 

Zaharuddin Abd Rahman

www.zaharuddin.net

10 Sept 2008

10 Ramadhan 1429 H

Wales,UK

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Posted by Sahabat, on 14-07-2010 06:27, IP 110.174.127.22, Guest
1. minta izin utk copy
Uzar, ana minta izin copy article ini utk dibubuh di blog ana.
 
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Posted by Aida-exPMIUM, on 21-11-2008 17:17, IP 194.80.178.1, Guest
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Assalamualaikum.. 
 
Ustaz, I'm impressed! Sungguh, dengan usaha Ustaz! Saya dah lama kenal Ustaz dari jauh. Seorang senior yang saya kagumi.. 
Teruskan Ustaz.. 
 
Kesalahan grammar tu perkara biasa. Yg penting ilmunya. Semoga Ustaz semakin giat berusaha.Kita perlukan lebih ramai ilmuan seperti ustaz!Wassalam
 
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Posted by Guest, on 21-10-2008 04:34, IP 194.80.178.1, Guest
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so itu bukan alasan RPK di ISAkan...Alasan sebenar terlalu byk maklumat pasal Najib lakibini...Nak ckp pasal Islam..tapi lupa lak sesama Islam di zalimi dan dlm Islam tawanan perang pun di layan baik olih NABI...jadi bila RPK khilaf,khilafkan lah dia selamanye dalam ISA.Samalah kita dengan Islam Hadari...Fikirkanlah!
 
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Posted by sufie, on 21-10-2008 04:32, IP 194.80.178.1, Guest
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Golongan liberal ni,lain sikit tafsiran mereka ini,tapi sbg Muslim kita perlu sedar bahawa kita perlu ikut mereka yg lebih alim dalam bidangnya.Dgn itu agama lebih terpelihara,kepentingan Muslim lebih terjaga,kesesatan terhindar,ummah jadi lebih kuat. 
 
Jangan hanya nak liberal saja,tapi ummah jadi lemah,agama jadi rosak. 
 
Elok juga dibanding-bandingkan Islam dgn agama2 lain,dgn itu mereka, bukan Islam tu akan sedar apa yg ada dlm agama mereka,jgn asyik nak cari kelemahan Islam saja sedangkan agama mereka lebih ternampak kelemahan.
 
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Posted by Ibnu Ahmad, on 17-10-2008 21:31, IP 194.80.178.1, Guest
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Excellent job UZAR! this is jihad to protect Islam. i'm quite new with this forum but i love it very much.  
 
and to brother yasin (Written by Yasin on 2008-10-16 03:31:24), it's not about the grammatical errors but the point is to spread the good information around... kita ni bukannya mengikuti kelas bhs inggeris, tp ni kelas fardhu ain... i don't think it's too hard for everyone to understand the article. keep it simple...  
 
wallahua'lam
 
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Posted by king, on 16-10-2008 03:36, IP 194.80.178.1, Guest
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Rahmatilah bumi Malaysia ini dgn para ulama ya Allah, berkatilah hidup kami, ampunilah dosa kami, kurniakanlah hidayah pada kami, matikanlah kami dengan husnul khatimah dan bangkitkanlah kami bersama para nabi,sahabat,dan para ulama amiiiin. 
 
Semoga kita tidak ketandusan ilmuan islam. 
sama2 lah kita berdoa untuk kejayaan kita dalam islam dan mati dalam islam, amiiin.
 
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Posted by gabot, on 16-10-2008 03:35, IP 194.80.178.1, Guest
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tolonglah bijak pandai terjemahkan dalam bahasa malayu nak sebar kan ni 
 
UZAR : Versi bahasa melayu telah ada, sila cari di bahagian artikel bahasa malaysia
 
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Posted by Yasin, on 16-10-2008 03:31, IP 194.80.178.1, Guest
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Excellent job, Ustaz. Anyway, your article should have been checked by someone who is good at English as I found many basic grammatical errors.  
 
One more thing, why must you learn Syariah from non Muslim lectures, if any, in a western country university for your PhD?  
 
UZAR : thanks,  
 
1) my grammatical errors :  
* its simple, i have to admit that i am still learning and this is one of the purpose why i study in UK,  
* no time to pass it on for proof read, because the issues need an urgent response, why not you become the english expert volunteer reader and correct the errors and send it to me by this email zaharuddin@yahoo.com. Saying that there are BASIC errors without giving examples and correcting it, will not do any good for me, yourself and other readers.  
* and i also write it in a hurry. 
 
2) Non Muslim Lecturer : you are wrong, because PHD level in UK has no lectures at all, we are only have a supervisor and my supervisor is Asst Prof Dr Mawil Izzideen al-Iraqi, he is a good and excellent Muslim eventhough he teach in UK. 
 
Other than Dr Mawil, there is also Dr Daud al-alami, he is also i Muslim. 
 
Therefore, I am not learning anything from any western and non muslim lecturer here, except for my english language.  
 
And if that couldnt answer your question on why i have choosen UK for my PhD, I recommend you to read my other article titled "Saya telah meninggalkan Malaysia selama 3 tahun", then you will get some more justification. However if you are not interested to read the article, i dont have any further comments yet.
 
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Posted by Muslimah, on 13-10-2008 23:43, IP 194.80.178.1, Guest
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Ini dari sudut pandangan saya pula… 
 
Ada orang yang mentafsirkan dengan mengatakan bahawa Allah tidak memandang kepada pakaian seseorang itu. Tetapi Allah memandang kepada hatinya. Di sini mereka mentafsirkan maksud zahiriah itu sebagai pakaian. Jadi apabila seseorang itu mendedahkan auratnya, dia nanti akan berkata, 
 
“Allah tidak akan memandang pada zahiriah. Allah memandang pada hati seseorang itu.” 
 
Baginya, seolah-olah walaupun dia telah mendedahkan aurat, tetapi hatinya baik. Dan tentu Allah akan memandang pada hati seseorang itu. Tetapi… cuba kita fikirkan sejenak… 
 
“Apakah orang yang terlanjang itu baik hatinya?” 
 
Masakan baik, kerana… kebaikan terletak pada hati & orang yang berpakian ibarat terlanjang itu adalah disuruh oleh hatinya sendiri. Bukan hidung atau matanya. Kesimpulannya, kalaulah hatinya menyuruh dirinya mendedahkan aurat, apakah hati semacam itu dikatakan hati yang baik? Jadi… kalau hati menyuruh dia terlanjang atau mendedahkan aurat bererti hatinya juga terlanjang. Sedangkan iman datangnya dari hati. Kalau hatinya menolak untuk menutup aurat, bererti imannya turut sama. Dengan itu, janganlah diperlekehkan soal hukum menutup aurat ini. :) 
 
p/s: Maaf jika ada yang tersinggung dengan komen saya. Semoga kita berubah menjadi yang lebih baik kerana-Nya jua. Dan mudah-mudahan dibukan pintu Hidayah buat mereka. :D
 
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Posted by Paeh Al Jabriya, on 13-10-2008 16:06, IP 194.80.178.1, Guest
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Sheikh, enta buat apa kat Wales tu? 
enta masih di AFB ka?
 
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Posted by MUS - SHAH ALAM, on 13-10-2008 16:02, IP 194.80.178.1, Guest
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Kupasan yang bagus ....syukran kita ada pakar rujuk yang boleh mengulas isu berkaitan Islam.....oleh kerana terlalu ramai golongan liberal dan membuat ulasan mengikut logik akal sendiri eloklah pakar rujuk membendung segala salah interpretasi..dari sesiapa pun baik RPK atau individu lain yg sememangnya ramai lagi yang masih jahil dan terikut barat hasil didikan dan cara hidup barat mereka.....yang benar dan bernas mesti dpertahankan..Salam Syawal. Takbir!! :)
 
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Posted by meet uncle, on 08-10-2008 21:13, IP 194.80.178.1, Guest
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Tu la dia org-org yg berjuang bukan atas dasar agama Allah..akhirnya nampak jugak lopong-lopongnya.
 
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Posted by hamdan, on 22-09-2008 06:16, IP 90.240.24.75, Guest
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Tahniah UZAR, semoga golongan islam liberal ni mendapat hidayah dan kembali ke pangkal jalan.  
 
GOOD explanation Ust. !
 
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Posted by alonqexe, on 19-09-2008 23:31, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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Alhamdulillah. Terima kasih ustaz. Penjelasan yang mantap untuk menangkis fahaman2 pelik masyarakat sekarang yang kononnya pakar dalam islam.
 
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Posted by wan wma, on 18-09-2008 00:21, IP 194.80.178.1, Guest
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Pandangan dan ulasan yang amat baik bagi mengelakkan umat islam berfikir dengn menggunakan akal fikiran. 
 
Namun, alangkah baiknya kalau ustaz dapat tulis satu lagi artikel yg sama dalam bahasa melayu, saya yakin..masih ramai pengguna internet yg tidak dapat memahami bahasa english dan menerima apa yang ustaz cuba sampaikan 
 
UZAR : sudah dibuat, sila ke bahagian artikel bahasa malaysia
 
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Posted by Iffah, on 16-09-2008 07:13, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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a very good response from Uzar!!..emm..RPK tu byk pengaruh..ramai yg baca artikel2 die..saya rasa after this ulama2 n golongan cerdik pandai agama patut cuba b'kwn baik n guide dia..kita cuba bwk die n tunjuk jln yg sepatutnya.. :)
 
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Posted by Guest, on 14-09-2008 01:49, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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ya allah,ampunilah dosa-dosa kami,dan jadikanlah para ulama' islam mempunyai keberanian dan kecerdikan bagi mematahkan hujah-hujah golongan yang sesat.. amin.. (nazrin wrote...) 
emy wrote...AMIN YA ALLAH  
semoga kami dilindungi daripada orang yang sesat lagi menyesatkan
 
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Posted by azfamy, on 12-09-2008 19:41, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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Terima kasih ustaz di atas hujah balas tersebut. Semoga RPK sedia menerima penerangan ustaz dengan hati terbuka dan menerbitkan hujah ustaz agar dapat dibaca oleh pembaca2 MT. Mcm Ustaz kata, harap2 mereka tak buat kerja mcm utusan. Kalau nak provoke pon kena lah berhati2, takut nanti para pembaca terikut2 tafsiran yang salah. Sekian, wassalam.
 
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Posted by Fariz Bakar, on 12-09-2008 15:26, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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Send this article to labisman@yahoo.com (malaysiatoday admin)
 
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Posted by crower, on 12-09-2008 11:49, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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Tahukah anda bahawa Sisters in Islam, sebuah organisasi yang kononnya ditubuhkan untuk mempelopori gerakan muslimah di negara kita mempunya pendapat yang sama dengan Raja Petra mengenai isu tudung ini ? Sila pergi ke Google and cari link ke laman Sisters in Islam.
 
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Posted by meRePeK, on 12-09-2008 11:48, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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ana tahu tujuan dia tulis bab tudung kerana ingin membuat provokasi terhadap JAKIM terutamanya kerajaan, walaupun pada org islam ia adalah salah kerana bila kita mempertikaikan hukum allah. bab ini yg ana kurang suka pada rpk pada dia apa-apa bab bolih di buat sesuka hati yg paling menyakitkan hati ialah bila yg bukan islam menafsirkan pula. cuma kita berdoalah supaya rpk tidak mengulangi lagi bab isu agama utk diperbincangkan pada org ramai terutama bila kaum bukan islam turut serta. wasalam 
 
UZAR : SAYA JUGA FAHAM RAJA PETRA BIASNAYA TULIS DAN SIARKAN BENDA YANG ADA DOUBLE MEANING UTK ATTACK KERAJAAN, NAMUN DALAM ISU INI..DIA TELAH MENGGUNAKAN ISU USUL DALAM AGAMA, JUSTERU JAWAPAN DAN BIDASAN PERLU DIBUAT JUGA..WALAU APA TUJUAN TERSEMBUNYINYA
 
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Posted by tzul, on 12-09-2008 00:18, IP 194.80.178.1, Guest
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Salam Ustaz, 
 
Saya baru saya lepas jengok MT tadi, dan saya dah link-kan response Ustaz ke artikel tersebut. Mudah-mudahan ada yang datang jengok disini nanti. Insyallah.
 
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Posted by hmd, on 11-09-2008 22:31, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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Alhamdulillah, jawapan tuan bernas sekali!
 
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Posted by Jerung Sakti, on 11-09-2008 22:29, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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Assalamualaikum ustaz, 
 
Harap ustaz dapat send artikel ni ke laman web RPK di http://mt.m2day.org buat tatapan pembaca di sana,agar dapat mendapat hujjah yang sebenar ttg isu ini. Saya cuba nak copy artikel ni dan hantar ke web tu, tapi tak tau cara nak send. 
 
UZAR : ADA YANG BGTAU SAYA MEREKA DAH HANTAR, TAPI MASIH TAK TERBIT..TAK PASTI SAMA ADA DEPA PUN BUAT PERANGAI UTUSAN MALAYSIA
 
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Posted by snowflake, on 11-09-2008 19:38, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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Assallamualaikum 
Allhamdulillah! Hujah yang sangat menepati keatas mereka yang jahil tapi berangan angan diawangan seakan tahu serba serbi tentang Islam. Tuan hamba menulis dengan begitu tekun dan ikhlas sungguh dan tidak ada satu pun komentar tuan hamba yang menyeleweng dan sangsi. Alhamdulillah kami memerlukan komentar yang begini bernas bukan sekadar untuk RPK aja, tetapi untuk semua kaum muslim amnya. Syukur saya kerana membaca TKO hari ini, kerana ini adalah satu pemberian dari Allah swt. Satu rezeki dapat membaca artikel tuan hamba dan terus sampai ke sini untuk memberi sokongan. Terima kasih. A well written debat and off course you debated successfully. 
Wassallam
 
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Posted by Pak Usu, on 11-09-2008 17:09, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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Assalamualaikum... 
 
Saya sudah tolong terjemahkan artikel UZAR ini kepada bahasa melayu. Sudah dihantar ke email UZAR. harap dapat baca dan edit yang mana patut.  
 
Moga ia sedikit sebanyak boleh membantu menambah saham saya di akhirat... 
 
UZAR : SYUKRAN PAK USU, NAMUN MALANGNYA SAYA MASIH BELUM TERIMA EMAIL TERSEBUT..SILA EMAILKAN SEKALI LAGI KE zaharuddin@yahoo.com 
 
 
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Posted by nazri, on 11-09-2008 17:06, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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is raja pette trying to justify why his wife is not covering her aurat with this article...
 
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Posted by Tarabas, on 11-09-2008 16:26, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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Alahmdulillah atas penerangan dari UZAR....
 
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Posted by A Nik, on 11-09-2008 16:25, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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Alhamdulillah UZAR... Good Piece...
 
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Posted by nimo, on 11-09-2008 16:24, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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i think we shldn't lenghten this issue as some ppl just don't hv any good thing to do and think. their stupidity and ignorance are blatantly manipulating ppl views of Islam. their unwillingness to study and read about their own religion is absolutely showing their own loose personality. biarkan luncai dgn labu2nya - sooner or later to Allah that we'll face. Muslim bro and sister, we have much greater responsibilies to do. Ustaz, kudos for your effort to answer but our precious time shld't be disturbed by this perturbed discussion. let them be what they want to be ustaz, after all, it's not they don't know but they opted not to know. sorry, a bit rough here but I think this is the reality, Islam is growing and growing and this issue won't rattle the strong foundation of the religion - true Muslims knows that women have to cover and there's no other way to topple that. Islam law should align our principles and not the other way around.So, let them be..
 
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Posted by sarjantulang, on 11-09-2008 16:23, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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salam, 
 
excellent ustaz. semoga RPK bacalah artikel ini. bukan sahaja RPK, malah, semua umat islam. syukran.  
 
hamba sangat menantikan komen dari ustaz. 
 
sarjantulang
 
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Posted by Ungu73, on 11-09-2008 16:22, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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Salam UZAR, 
 
Terima kasih dengan artikel ni. Buat peringatan untuk kaum yang masih lagi memperlekehkan kewajipan untuk menutup aurat ni. 
 
Bagi saya teguran UZAR tidaklah mengikut emosi. Setiap ustaz ada stail masing-masing untuk menyampaikan dakwah. Ketegasan itu perlu sekiranya orang itu masih lagi mempertikaikan hukum-hukum Allah Taala. Tambahan pula bukan kali pertama RPK menimbulkan kontroversi tentang ilmu Islam ni....
 
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Posted by y2k, on 11-09-2008 16:21, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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salam, 
mmg hujah yg tepat.. saya bersangka-baik yg percaya artikel tu ditulis oleh kawan RPK dan dia cuma menyiarkan utk mendpt pandangan ramai. why? ini kita kena fikir.. kenapa RPK yg baru kena dakwa menghina Islam boleh keluarkan artikel yg boleh menjejaskan lagi dan mengundang rasa marah mereka yg membuat laporan terhadap RPK. Saya fikir tujuan dia nak tgk apa pendapat umum terutama sekali mereka yg berpendidikan ugama ttg response terhadap isu yg dibangkitkan.. dan dia akan menghujah balas.. why takde mereka ni bersuara psl hukum2 Islam yg dilanggar sesuka hati.. why takde yg bersuara dan hentam kerajaan atas hasil judi hasil arak.. dan bermcm2 lagi kes di Malaysia yg berkaitan dgn penghinaan Islam.. org Melayu/Islam kerja serve arak atas kapalterbang negara.. takde yg perjuangkan.. ini hal tudung kepala yg disentuh sikit je.. ngaper tak citer psl hukum hudud? kes zina dll.. iskkk kita ni nampak isu tudung jer? hairan betul.. isu yg lebih besar didiamkan..atau memilih utk berdiam diri jer.. apa komen anda semua? kenapa isu2 lain yg lebih besar tak diketengahkan juga. Islam tu Syumul.. jgn belasah RPK je.. pihak pemerintah lebih patut ditegur secara terang2an dan dihukum sbb mereka ada peluang utk mengubah.. ini juga yg puak Taliban buat di Afghan dulu.. dihancurkan berhala besar sbbnya pihak lain buat sekatan ekonomi.. rakyat mereka nak makan pun susah tapi berhala besar tu dijaga dgn baik, diberi peruntukan utk bersihkan dll.. yg penting, isu besar hal kemanusiaan tidak dipedulikan ttp hal sejarah dunia diagungkan dan diberi penghormatan.. tiada priority! mcm tu ke Islam kat Malaysia? org yg berpengetahuan agama tak berani berhadapan dgn pemerintah..agaknya ini kesimpulannya? :(
 
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Posted by hafiz ismail, on 11-09-2008 16:20, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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on most things, i'm 100% in agreement with Pete (RPK) but sometimes i think he can and does go overboard, especially when it comes to Islam. 
he reminds me of Farish Noor, another 'interpreter' of 'true' Islam. 
the common thread that i find in these 'modern faqih' (and i think i should include Mahathir in this select group) is their almost utter reliance on the translations of both the Qur'aan and hadeeth (in fact, some of them would disregard hadeeth/sunnah altogether). 
and the lack of respect for the ulamaa' really is worrying, to say the least..
 
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Posted by Mohamad Taib Husaini, on 11-09-2008 16:19, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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Salam, 
 
Personally, I'm not surprised when persons like RPK & his friend made such unwelcome statements on women's aurat/tudung as clearly upholds in Islam. But what's really upset me is their ignorance and poor state of Iman that reflect to me Islam is not preferably their way of life. I would suggest being great writers like RPK & co. commenting on Islamic matters, they must possess not only religious analytical skills but also spiritual connections to The Quran and Sunnah. May Allah swt show them and all of us the right path in understanding and practising Islam.
 
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Posted by dr shinah, on 11-09-2008 16:17, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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Alhamdulillah uzar's comment came at a much needed time, to respond to the onslaught and insult to the religion of Islam by entities like Raja Petra, his associates and 'Orientalists' such as John Esposito'.  
 
May I be allowed to post your comment on this important matter, to all my friends globally.Glad JAKIM takes action such people.By right, we Muslims in Malaysia should take to the streets and condemn this man's insult to Islam, and make people aware of how devious he is. 
 
UZAR : GO AHEAD...SYUKRAN
 
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Posted by Guest, on 11-09-2008 16:15, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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terima kasih ustaz atas komen yang baik ;)
 
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Posted by muslimat, on 11-09-2008 16:14, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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Alhamdulillah ada insan macam Ustaz... teruskan perjungan Ustaz...semoga segala Allah beri hidayah kepada kita semua...
 
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Posted by inn, on 11-09-2008 16:13, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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Assallammu'alaikum, 
 
Saya yakin Al-Quran dan As-sunnah adalah yang terbaik untuk Umat semua,maka segala yang terkandung dalamnya adalah pertujuk agar tidak tersesat oleh ajaran jin dan syaitan.Maka termasuklah juga cara-cara pemaikaian yang menutup aurat bagi Umat Islam.Sekiranya seseorang itu belum faham betul atau tidak berapa dalam ilmunya tentang pakaian dalam Islam seperti terkandung dalam Al-Quran, maka sekurang-kurangnya seseorang itu hendaklah memikirkan tentang apa yang terbaik dari segi pemaikaian yang tidak membawa keburukan atau sekurang-kurangnya membandingkan pemaikaian menutup aurat dalam Islam bagi wanita iaitu bertudung dari kepala kepada dada dan hanya menampakkan muka dan tapak tangan atau menampakkan bahagian yang tak sepatutnya. Oleh Itu dari pemikiran seseorang yang telah baligh dan waras, boleh yakin bahawa pemaikain seperti yang ditetapkan dalam Al-Quran lagi dapat menyelamatkan kaum wanita dari nafsu lelaki dan gangguan syaitan dan membawa kurang keburukan dari yang lain. Begitu cara yang diajarkan oleh Ulama' agar kita selalu mengambil apa yang lagi membawa kurang keburukan jika kita tidak memahami dengan mendalam dan tidak dapat menetukan mana yang lebih baik...  
 
Wallahu'Alam. 
 
Alhamdullillah... 
 
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Posted by fariz, on 11-09-2008 16:12, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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I've tried to post UZAR response at MToday but could not figure out how to register to the forum. Sincerely hope that someone can assume the responsibility to forward UZAR article to Mtoday to enlighten the readers.
 
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Posted by humairah_almarrah, on 11-09-2008 09:52, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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assalamu'alaikum wrt. wbrt. 
 
this is a serious predicament that we have faced when we are dealing with liberalists in ISLAM these days. this is not even dwelling on atheism issue in Malaysia (you may discuss on this for future issue, uzar). i am not saying this only in malaysian context, but it's a cancerous attack on islamic countries - questioning and justifying to make muslims/muslimahs become doubtful of their main sources, which are al-Quran and As-Sunnah. needless to say, the liberalists muslims/muslimahs are those who have been fascinated and deeply incultured with emblems of ideologies and zionist agendas. as such to 'fix and reglue' a large jigsaw-puzzle on muslims and muslimahs who strongly hold onto qalamullah and sahih hadiths, the liberalists think their Islamic faith need to be altered indirectly and carefully in their power of reasoning and logics in thinking. thus they would ideally misinterpret, exploit and manipulate the sura' to their own likings based on the so-called logics and reasoning and spread their analysed interpretation and thoughts to the ignorant, average muslims/muslimahs on their self-owned sites or publications. 
 
All of us have to be prepared mentally and acted wisely in order to counter-check and rebuke on their comprehension and interpretation on Quranic verses and hadiths; Islamic teaching by the Islamic knowledge experts and scholars; and Arabic language. being an average muslim or muslimah is definitely far much better than liberalist muslims/muslimahs who have corrupted in their islamic faith; literally speaking, they are not in the same boat. 
 
filtering is definitely crucial for us if we relate to Pete's. 
 
 
assalamu'alaikum wrt. wbrt. 
 
 
 
 
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Posted by tok janggut, on 11-09-2008 09:30, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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Salam semua. ilmu allah itu sangat luas, jika diambil semua lautan untuk dijadikan dakwat lalu dtulis semua ilmu2 Allah pasti tidak akan cukup. Subhanallah. Setahu saya untuk mentafsir alquran memerlukan 15 cabang ilmu yang merangkumi ilmu nahu,saraf,bayan dll. kita sebagai orang awam ni memang tak layak untuk membuat tafsiran mengikut logik akal. Kita bukan ahli untuk menyatakan pandangan seperti apa yg di buat RPK. kita kena minta pandangan daripada orang yang ahlinya. Adakah patut kita berjumpa  
mekanik jikalau kita ditimpa penyakit spt demam selsema?? setiap  
orang kefahaman agama tidak sama di anugerahkan oleh Allah, moga Allah memimpin kita dari terpesong dan menyimpang akidah. iblis masih lagi berusaha menyesatkan Seorang penzina, kaki mabuk, perompak dan org2 fasik kerana lambat laun satu masa mereka akan sedar yang mereka memang melakukan kesalahan. tetapi iblis suka sangat jika seseorang itu beramal dengan sesuatu amalan yang disangkanya agama tetapi hakikatnya tidak. mana mungkin datangnya kesedaran jika apa yang diamalkan diyakini betul.... nauzubillah... semoga Allah menyelamatkan saya dan tuan2 semua dari disesatkan...semoga Allah memberi hidayah kepada RPK. amin
 
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Posted by Ana, on 11-09-2008 08:51, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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Assalamualaikum ustaz. Berbanyak terima kasih kerana artikel nie sgt menjawab kekeliruan yg RPK timbulkan. Walaubagaimanapun, terdapat desas desus yg meragui kesahihan hadis yg diriwayatkan oleh Imam Abu Daud tersebut, yg mana menyatakan bahawa, Imam Abu Daud tidak pernah pun berjumpa dengan Saidatina Aisyah. Oleh itu, boleh ustaz terangkan mengenai pernyataan ini. Berbanyak terima kasih. 
 
UZAR : SUDAH TENTU LA, ABU DAUD HIDUP TAHUN 200 LEBIH HIJRAH..IMAM ABU DAUD BUKAN AMBIL DARI AISYAH TAPI DARI CHAIN OF NARRATORS SEHINGGA SAMPAI KE AISYAH. 
 
PELIK DENGAN HUJJAH ORANG-ORANG TERDESAK YANG CUBA NAK BUKA TUUDNG DAN MENGHALALKANNYA.
 
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Posted by Fariz Bakar, on 11-09-2008 08:49, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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I already forward this article to MT administration. Thanks Uzar.
 
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Posted by politik sumbang, on 11-09-2008 08:49, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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assalamualaikum ustaz.. 
terima kasih atas komen ustaz terhadap blog saya. 
Saya berhajat hendak terbitkan komen ustaz ini kedalam blog saya agar dapat disebarkan kepada pembaca.. 
sebagai jalan dakwah memperbetulkan persepsi Islam yang telah disalah-tafsir oleh sesetengah orang demi agenda peribadi. 
Salam bulan Ramadhan. 
 
UZAR : SILAKAN
 
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Posted by Azrir, on 11-09-2008 08:48, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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Well said. RPK write as if he is well verse in the Quran. I think he only studies the English translation of the Quran.  
 
One should always study the Quran itself, meaning one must learn Arabic. Studying the translation of the Quran in any languange is pointless in my view. RPK has a great follower. It is sad that his writing has influenced a lot of people. Besides you, i always keep track of Mufti Perlis's blog. It's good that you have made this counter argument to RPK's article.
 
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Posted by rodin, on 10-09-2008 23:14, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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sepatutnya dan sebaik2nya raja petra tak perlu nak explain sebegitu rupa...kalau dia memang Islam tak mungkin dia berpemikiran sebegitu.bagi saya hanya orang yang memang mengkaji sedalam2nya alquaran dan hadis berhak beri pendapat pasal al-quran.setiap ayat saling berkaitan..setiap hadis juga sangat berkaitan..orang yang dilahirkan islam tak mungkin memberikan pendapat yang pelik sebegitu rupa sebagai mana raja petra...memang sukar untuk dikatakan,tapi realitinya orang yang murtad saja yang sanggup menidakkan hukum yang jelas termaktub seperti ini.
 
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Posted by Hamba Fakir, on 10-09-2008 22:45, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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terima kasih ustaz uzar di atas penerangan di atas.teguran dan nasihat dari bijak pandai agama seperti ustaz uzar sangat dinantikan.tugas kita sesama muslim ialah utk menasihati antara satu sama lain.selamat menjalani ibadah puasa.wallahulam..rindufakir.b logspot.com
 
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Posted by wira, on 10-09-2008 20:16, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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Allah ciptakan manusia dgn pelbagai kemahiran-utk berkongsi ilmu utk kesejahteraan. Jika bukan dlm bidang ilmu yg dimiliki, eloklah serah pada yg pakar...pndngn umum ialah pndngn logik ttp pndngn ulama` ialah pndngn ilmu..TQ UZAR
 
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Posted by mak minah, on 10-09-2008 20:14, IP 81.79.146.30, Guest
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woohooo well done uzar. kan mat pete. next time belaja dulu kasi abis baru la bleh cakap lar.
 
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